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mccain, graham and ayotte all said they would block any effort to advance rice if she is nominated. i'm ed payne, reporting. >> later this week rice will meet with acting cia director mike morrell as well as senator susan collins of maine the top republican on the homeland security committee. >>> more republicans say the looming "fiscal cliff" is forcing them to reconsider their no tax pledges. some are now open to changes. dick durbin plans to lay out a proposal for a bipartisan group deemed the gang of 8. they have been working on a plan to reduce debt. if the lawmakers don't pass a plan by the end of the december tax hikes and budget cuts kick in. >>> a cyber monday tradition for federal officials took dozens of websites offline. it was the third annual crackdown on websites selling counterfeit merchandise. the sites were shut done after copyright holders that sports, dvds and other goods investigators bought on the websites were fake. the sites now display a banner that explains what happened. >>> robbers in san francisco are stealing iphones at an alarming rate. now, some peopl
mccain, graham and ayotte all said they would block any effort to advance rice if she is nominated. i'm ed payne, reporting. >> later this week rice will meet with acting cia director mike morrell as well as senator susan collins of maine the top republican on the homeland security committee. >>> more republicans say the looming "fiscal cliff" is forcing them to reconsider their no tax pledges. some are now open to changes. dick durbin plans to lay out a proposal for a...
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(laughter) so susan rice met yesterday with senators mccain, graham and ayotte to clear the air. how did that go? >> ambassador rice i think does not do justice to the reality at the time and in hindsight clearly was completely wrong. >> we are significantly troubled by many of the answers that we got and some that we didn't get concerning evidence that was overwhelming leading up to the attack on our consulate. >> jon: here's the deal: they may be right. though on the scale of public misstatements, rice's comments seem to fall more for the embarrassing evidence of institutional disorganization end of the scale. (laughter) but here's the thing: these two don't get to be the ones who self-righteously get angry about this. they're upset she may have passed bad intel, wittingly or unwittingly to the american people. remember these two from a decade ago? >> saddam hussein continues to acquire, amass, and improve on his arsenal of weapons of mass destruction. he continues to acquire -- attempt to acquire a nuclear weapon. these are all well-known facts. >> let's act now to get rid of
(laughter) so susan rice met yesterday with senators mccain, graham and ayotte to clear the air. how did that go? >> ambassador rice i think does not do justice to the reality at the time and in hindsight clearly was completely wrong. >> we are significantly troubled by many of the answers that we got and some that we didn't get concerning evidence that was overwhelming leading up to the attack on our consulate. >> jon: here's the deal: they may be right. though on the scale...
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senator ayotte and sflor mccain and senator graham have been about ambassador rice. she hasn't been that critical up until now. but those meetings are not over. when she emerges, when ambassador rice emerges from this meeting -- >> reporter: ashleigh i'm going to interrupt you because senator collins is here right now. >> terrific. if you could grab her for us that would be terrific. we'll find out the tenor. let's listen. >> i've just cudedn hour and 15 minutes with ambassador t remain unanswered. i continue to be troubled by the fact that the u.n. ambassador decided to play what was essentially a political role at the height of a contentious presidential election campaign by agreeing to go on the sunday shows to present the administration's position. in addition, it is interesting to me that ambassador rice emphasized in her presentation not that this was a terrorist attack by al qaeda affiliates but, rather, that it had begun with a protest that we nownow was nonexistent and that it was linked to a video, which we also know is not accurate. at the time ambassador
senator ayotte and sflor mccain and senator graham have been about ambassador rice. she hasn't been that critical up until now. but those meetings are not over. when she emerges, when ambassador rice emerges from this meeting -- >> reporter: ashleigh i'm going to interrupt you because senator collins is here right now. >> terrific. if you could grab her for us that would be terrific. we'll find out the tenor. let's listen. >> i've just cudedn hour and 15 minutes with...
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move on to other serious questions. >> well, especially if -- yes, yesterday, mccain and ayotte and graham were saying we want to know why the u.s. military was unable to respond within search hours, our consulate was left so insecure. these are not questions susan rice has the answer to. luke, i want to ask about the interpersonal dynamics. susan rice is tough and as the governor said during the break she does not suffer fools badly. these were make nice meetings that didn't seem to go so well, correct? kelly ayotte known as a particular fire brand but came out with very, very strong language and said she would put a hold on susan rice's nomination. >> look, two things were surprising here. number one, a visit like this when you're actually not the nominee to be secretary of state, is a little odd. we were talking with other reporters earlier and no one can really remember these types of diplomatic visits for someone not officially nominated. after the criticism of rice softened this past weekend a lot of us expected this would be a get nice pow wow. it turned out to be awfully different,
move on to other serious questions. >> well, especially if -- yes, yesterday, mccain and ayotte and graham were saying we want to know why the u.s. military was unable to respond within search hours, our consulate was left so insecure. these are not questions susan rice has the answer to. luke, i want to ask about the interpersonal dynamics. susan rice is tough and as the governor said during the break she does not suffer fools badly. these were make nice meetings that didn't seem to go...
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the aide also questioned whether republicans, besides mccain, graham and ayotte would think this was a smart fight to pick. after all, it would be a high-profile fight with a qualified african-american woman. >> and she's not just qualified. she is supremely well qualified. she has tremendous experience. she's been enormously successful with her work at the u.n. we were able to marshal some of the most significant sanctions on iran for its pursuit of a nuclear program. she helped work together the coalition that freed the libyan people of moammar gadhafi. she has an extraordinary track record. and so go after her, to try to deny the president his choice for secretary of state, if he makes that choice, is a teshter disservice to someone with an extraordinary record, in a higher office, a great talent and simply makes no sense. i can only conclude because i appreciate the effort the u.n. ambassador had when she sat down with the senators, they had their minds made up. it was a losing purpose. it was a losing argument during the presidential campaign. it's even more of a losing argument
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it's interesting that so many senators such as john mccain and lindsey graham oppose her. policy-wise she's closer to them in terms of policy and intervention and human rights than, say, senator john kerry, for example. >> amanamanda, you referenced t press conference where the president went to bat for susan rice. let's actually take a listen to them. >> for them to go after the u.n. ambassador who this nothing to do with benghazi and was simply making a presentation based on intelligence that she had received and to besmurch her reputation is outrageous. when they gt after the u.n. ambassador apparently because they think she's an easy target, then they've got a problem with me. >> so, first of all, bes is suhsh is great word. prior to that press conference i was am bif lent to secretary of state. i like john kerry and sue glan rice. after i saul the president go to bat for her and point out how outrageous these attacks on her having, i am more inclined to want to see susan rice in that position, which also leads me to the conclusion. john mccain, if his ultimate goem w
it's interesting that so many senators such as john mccain and lindsey graham oppose her. policy-wise she's closer to them in terms of policy and intervention and human rights than, say, senator john kerry, for example. >> amanamanda, you referenced t press conference where the president went to bat for susan rice. let's actually take a listen to them. >> for them to go after the u.n. ambassador who this nothing to do with benghazi and was simply making a presentation based on...
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rice met with republican senators john mccain, lindsay graham, and kelly ayott, all had vowed to block her nomination after what she said about the deadly attack on americans on n benghazi, libya. here's what graham said moments ago when the meeting came to a close. >> if you don't know what happened, just say you don't know what happened. people can push you to give explanations and you can say i don't want to give bad information. here's what i can tell you -- the american people got bad information on 16, september. they got bad information from president obama days after. and the question is should they have been giving the information at all. if you can do nothing but give bad information, isn't it better to give no information at all? >> ah. let's go straight to cnn's dana bash. so before we heard that pretty explosive news conference, it seemed as though there was a bit of a softening of some of the gop's opposition to ms. rice's moving up in the president's cabinet. now after hearing that, i need to get some clarity if i can from you about whether the criticism is about ms. ric
rice met with republican senators john mccain, lindsay graham, and kelly ayott, all had vowed to block her nomination after what she said about the deadly attack on americans on n benghazi, libya. here's what graham said moments ago when the meeting came to a close. >> if you don't know what happened, just say you don't know what happened. people can push you to give explanations and you can say i don't want to give bad information. here's what i can tell you -- the american people got...
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first the lead story, three republican senators, mccain from arizona, graham from south carolina, and ayotte from new hampshire, met with u.n. ambassador susan rice today. remember ambassador rice misled the world how christopher stevens was murdered in benghazi on 9-11. the senators wanted to hear her explanation because she might be nominated as secretary of state. the meeting did not go well because the issue of initially ignoring the terrorist involvement was not explained by dr. rice. >> as i understand it, the explanation is that that was being withheld, the al-qaeda involvement was -- that point of the talking points was being withheld for classified reasons, but i also explored didn't you question that because that left, if you were to omit that portion, it leaves a very different impression to the american people and frankly, i didn't get a satisfactory answer to that. >> bill: joining us from washington to react, fox news analyst charles krauthammer. so bigger mess now than it's ever been. here is my assessment based on what happened today. i'm going to go on the record. thi
first the lead story, three republican senators, mccain from arizona, graham from south carolina, and ayotte from new hampshire, met with u.n. ambassador susan rice today. remember ambassador rice misled the world how christopher stevens was murdered in benghazi on 9-11. the senators wanted to hear her explanation because she might be nominated as secretary of state. the meeting did not go well because the issue of initially ignoring the terrorist involvement was not explained by dr. rice....
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earlier today she met with senators john mccain, kelly ayotte and lindsey graham. this meeting with senator lieberman approximately if it started on time, it was set to start around 2:00 eastern time. we got this video in. about a 20 minute or maybe less meeting. we'll hopefully have more insight in the latest meeting centering around the investigation of the deadly attack in the consulate in benghazi. in an hour president obama meeting with mexico's president-elect at the white house to discuss border security, immigration and trade. we'll get a preview. a record powerball jackpot soars higher for tomorrow night's big drawing. we'll tell you how much it's worth now. it's a story around the "news nation" for you. check out the tumblr page. you find behind the scenes pictures. we have to update the picture, because today -- tomorrow they reveal the big tree. that scaffolding is no longer up. we'll take a new picture and have it updated for you in the break. oh, let me guess --ou see this? more washington gridlock. no, it's worse -- look, our taxes are about to go up
earlier today she met with senators john mccain, kelly ayotte and lindsey graham. this meeting with senator lieberman approximately if it started on time, it was set to start around 2:00 eastern time. we got this video in. about a 20 minute or maybe less meeting. we'll hopefully have more insight in the latest meeting centering around the investigation of the deadly attack in the consulate in benghazi. in an hour president obama meeting with mexico's president-elect at the white house to...
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over the week, i watched lindsey graham on the sunday show. and when he compared this to iran contra which was crimes, felonies, as opposed to susan rice who has said she was given bad information she repeated it and, you know, it's -- and to compare these two, it's just really bizarre. >> joe, were there two different lanes being run here? one to maybe discredit susan rice and any potential nomination she might receive to the president's cabinet to replace secretary of state hillary clinton? but then also to make this reference to some type of cover-up happening prior to the reelection? >> well, certainly, they're trying to do both of those things. but in combining them, i think they're weakening any political attack they have. now what they've done is they've made what happened in benghazi a referendum on susan rice, where now when you look at the facts susan has come and explained where -- what she knew and how the statements were made. and that's been cleared up. and what's getting obscured here are the real questions about benghazi. so as
over the week, i watched lindsey graham on the sunday show. and when he compared this to iran contra which was crimes, felonies, as opposed to susan rice who has said she was given bad information she repeated it and, you know, it's -- and to compare these two, it's just really bizarre. >> joe, were there two different lanes being run here? one to maybe discredit susan rice and any potential nomination she might receive to the president's cabinet to replace secretary of state hillary...
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>> well, one of the things that senator graham said today was that he wants more of the investigation -- the information to come out. the fbi agents who had interviewed survivors of the attack. and he wants to know more information before he says he would be willing to elevate somebody who was involved in any part of this controversy. i do think that susan rice is not really the one that i am personally most concerned about. just as a. >> reporter: trying to find out the truth. the state department itself and susan rice is part of it but not really involved in deciding why they didn't get adequate security who did what in terms of trying to help the people who were pinned down. that seems to be more of a c.i.a. question. those are the people i really want to find out more about. >> eliot: i think that's exactly right. there are a myriad of legitimate questions that should be asked about the information through the decision making but it seems to me susan rice is the least informed, least interesting party here and that's why trying to take her hostage in effect at a moment where she m
>> well, one of the things that senator graham said today was that he wants more of the investigation -- the information to come out. the fbi agents who had interviewed survivors of the attack. and he wants to know more information before he says he would be willing to elevate somebody who was involved in any part of this controversy. i do think that susan rice is not really the one that i am personally most concerned about. just as a. >> reporter: trying to find out the truth. the...
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i'm certain my colleague from new hampshire, and of lindsey graham. so i do believe that it's in the country's interest to give her a fair hearing and to let her explain the situation, the position that she took on benghazi. >> senator, good to have you on the program. thank you. >> nice to be with you. >> let's go back to the strategy on the part of the white house. and obviously we're in this mess because they couldn't make a deal the last time. if the president's backup strategy is, and susan, this is what the l.a. times is reporting that they have to go off the fiscal cliff, they're willing to paint the gop as villains. i'm wondering about that strategy and does it appeal to moderate americans who clearly just want something done? >> well, you know, every time we do a poll and talk to americans, they say they want a deal, want both sides to compromise, to give a little. and i wonder to what degree the white house saying they are willing to go off the fiscal cliff is a, you know, a strategy that you would have right at this point to hold the feet t
i'm certain my colleague from new hampshire, and of lindsey graham. so i do believe that it's in the country's interest to give her a fair hearing and to let her explain the situation, the position that she took on benghazi. >> senator, good to have you on the program. thank you. >> nice to be with you. >> let's go back to the strategy on the part of the white house. and obviously we're in this mess because they couldn't make a deal the last time. if the president's backup...
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to the holy land from the ball field to the battlefield they are senators joseph lieberman lindsey graham and john mccain they've been called everything from the three amigos the three blind mice and the axis of error by the website downsize d.c. . org. those are the real three amigos big but because lieberman is leaving the senate the too many goes needed a new amigo and they chose one of the republican party's rising stars new hampshire senator senator kelly or yet iow. someday we'll figure out who real clear politics even speculated may have been mitt romney's running mate for mccain and graham picking a woman as their new third amigo was particularly useful since the three amigos first job as the need of the new political year was to take down a woman u.n. ambassador susan rice so she'd be so badly tarnished that president obama wouldn't nominate her to replace hillary clinton as secretary of state and why would they care so much about destroying the reputation of a rhodes scholar a stanford graduate in one of america's most distinguished deployments well given that the three amigos h
to the holy land from the ball field to the battlefield they are senators joseph lieberman lindsey graham and john mccain they've been called everything from the three amigos the three blind mice and the axis of error by the website downsize d.c. . org. those are the real three amigos big but because lieberman is leaving the senate the too many goes needed a new amigo and they chose one of the republican party's rising stars new hampshire senator senator kelly or yet iow. someday we'll figure...
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senators mccain, ayotte and graham say they have more questions than they had before rice's comments about benghazi. >> we are significantly troubled by many of the answers that we got and some that we didn't get it. >> if you don't know what happened just say you don't know what happened. people can push you to give explanations and you can say i don't want to give bad information. >> that's troubling to me as well, why she wouldn't have asked, i'm the person that doesn't know anything about this, i'm going on every single show. >> joining me now for our daily fix, chris cizilla, msnbc contributor managing editor of post politics.com and our own nbc capitol hill correspondent kelly o'donnell. well, this was pretty tense. chris, first to you. you've seen a lot of confirmation battles. this really did seem like an escalation, a warning shot. >> maybe they come out of this and say, look, we still kind of disagree with the way this played out but the explanations that ambassador rice gave us helped us understand. instead, what we got coming out of it was, as you point out, i think, an u
senators mccain, ayotte and graham say they have more questions than they had before rice's comments about benghazi. >> we are significantly troubled by many of the answers that we got and some that we didn't get it. >> if you don't know what happened just say you don't know what happened. people can push you to give explanations and you can say i don't want to give bad information. >> that's troubling to me as well, why she wouldn't have asked, i'm the person that doesn't...
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on such an attack, such shaky ground, is it completely irrational what they're doing with ayotte and graham and mccain coming out to talk about the fact that they're meeting with ambassador rice leaves them scratching their heads and with more questions? of course people want more answers to what happened in benghazi, but it's not up to ambassador rice. she's not fronting the investigation. >> no, but she's been part of that team that went on those sunday shows to talk act those issues to say it was a video that caused this. whether it was the talking points or the intelligence, she's the one in front of the tv cameras that said this. this is an audition to be the country's top diplomat. she's going into a hostile group, we would want her to have a better relationship after, not worse. she had three senators she knew she wasn't in a great relationship with. they seemed to be more open to her over the weekend. she went into a meeting and made it worse. regardless of what you think about susan rice -- >> were they really going to listen to her and come out and be, like, oh, god, we love susan
on such an attack, such shaky ground, is it completely irrational what they're doing with ayotte and graham and mccain coming out to talk about the fact that they're meeting with ambassador rice leaves them scratching their heads and with more questions? of course people want more answers to what happened in benghazi, but it's not up to ambassador rice. she's not fronting the investigation. >> no, but she's been part of that team that went on those sunday shows to talk act those issues to...
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lindsey graham has often aligned with john mccain on these issues. unless, frankly, we start to hear more republican voices on the senate side coming out against susan rice than we have heard, i do not see this as being a fatal problem for her. host: "the baltimore sun" notes the republican senators would need five republican votes to stop a filibuster of a new nomination. north carolina. go ahead. caller: my problem with all of this is it seems like they are trying to get to something else, and they are just weaseling to get to something else. host: what do you think they are trying to get to? caller: if she went out there with the information that was given to her, and john mccain test not have the common sense to know that -- does not have the common sense to know that it was not her information but the information given to her, i would want to talk to the person that gave her the information. i would want to talk to the people that gave her the information. host: is that going to happen, michael hirsch? guest: that is going to be part of the inve
lindsey graham has often aligned with john mccain on these issues. unless, frankly, we start to hear more republican voices on the senate side coming out against susan rice than we have heard, i do not see this as being a fatal problem for her. host: "the baltimore sun" notes the republican senators would need five republican votes to stop a filibuster of a new nomination. north carolina. go ahead. caller: my problem with all of this is it seems like they are trying to get to...
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takeaway from a highly anticipated meeting between rice and senate republicans, john mccain and lindsey graham. they're concerned miss rice misled the country concerning attacks on benghazi that left four people dead. the white house says ms. rice was not responsible for the news points she used on the sunday talk shows following that attack. >>> the disastrous apple maps is now out of a job. richard williamson was fired today. the map app has been blasted for being unreliable and lacking public transit directions. it replaced the original google maps in the newest versions of apple's operating system. just last month, the head of apple's mobile software development group was asked to resign after refusing to sign a letter apologizing for the app's flaws. >>> the amgen bike race is upside down. it will start in southern california and end in the bay area. the 750 mile tour begins in escondido on may 12th. ends eight days later in santa rosa. another first for the tour, the route will take riders to the top of mount diablo instead of just halfway up. san jose will host the time trial, and san f
takeaway from a highly anticipated meeting between rice and senate republicans, john mccain and lindsey graham. they're concerned miss rice misled the country concerning attacks on benghazi that left four people dead. the white house says ms. rice was not responsible for the news points she used on the sunday talk shows following that attack. >>> the disastrous apple maps is now out of a job. richard williamson was fired today. the map app has been blasted for being unreliable and...
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senator john mccain, lindsey graham and senator ayotte left the meeting, here's the word, troubled. let's watch. >> we are significantly troubled by many of the answers that we got and some that we didn't get concerning evidence that was overwhelming leading up to the attack on our consulate. >> i'm more disturbed now than i was before. if you don't know what happened, just say you don't know what happened. people can push you to give explanations, and you can say i don't want to give bad information. >> i'm more troubled today because it's certainly clear from the beginning that we knew that those with ties to al qaeda were involved in the attack on the embassy. >> well, then we go back to michael here. what i'm hearing today is ambassador rice when she went on "meet the press" in mid-september was basically handed a set of talking points which came directly from the director of national intelligence, mr. clapper, and she followed them. what did she do wrong by the likes of anybody, objective democrat or republican or just hater? what can you say she did wrong if she took the talki
senator john mccain, lindsey graham and senator ayotte left the meeting, here's the word, troubled. let's watch. >> we are significantly troubled by many of the answers that we got and some that we didn't get concerning evidence that was overwhelming leading up to the attack on our consulate. >> i'm more disturbed now than i was before. if you don't know what happened, just say you don't know what happened. people can push you to give explanations, and you can say i don't want to...
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, are these some really choppy waters ahead based on what we've heard from senator collins, ayotte, graham, mccain and the like? >> undoubtedly yes, but i think it's totally unfair -- let me be very clear. i'm on the intelligence committee. what ambassador rice did is precisely what she should have done. she used the approved talking points from the intelligence community that were unclassified. she did not use classified information and that's precisely what she should do. she shouldn't use classified information. she is required in her position to use unclassified information. and that's precisely what she did. information provided to her unanimously by the intelligence community. to go after susan rice is totally and completely unfair. and those who are doing it repeatedly ought to back off. that is not where fault lies. >> senator conrad, great to have you with me. here to talk over some of the issues, ed schultz. ed, great to have you here. a lot to get into this morning as we talk about the fiscal cliff. erskine bowles says he thinks democrats and republicans are serious about gettin
, are these some really choppy waters ahead based on what we've heard from senator collins, ayotte, graham, mccain and the like? >> undoubtedly yes, but i think it's totally unfair -- let me be very clear. i'm on the intelligence committee. what ambassador rice did is precisely what she should have done. she used the approved talking points from the intelligence community that were unclassified. she did not use classified information and that's precisely what she should do. she shouldn't...
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from john mccain, lindsey graham and kelly ayotte after their meeting with ambassador rice. >> we are significantly troubled by many of the answers that we got. >> bottom line, i'm more disturbed now than before. >> i'm more troubled today. >> senator mccain's embarrassing past with libya includes a meeting in tripoli in 2009 with gadhafi to discuss the possible delivery of military equipment to that dictator at his side at that meeting, as usual of course, was lindsey graham. also joining him was senator joe lieberman. today sh after meeting with ambassador rice, joe lieberman chose not to join the baseless criticism of ambassador rice. >> based on what she has said as clearly as possible, backed up by the director of the cia, i think it wouldn't be fair to disqualify her based on what she said. >> ambassador rice released this statement after meeting with the republican senators. while we certainly wish we had >> ambassador rice released this statement after meeting with the republican senators. joining me now, msnbc's karen finney and howard fineman. howard, what is your understand
from john mccain, lindsey graham and kelly ayotte after their meeting with ambassador rice. >> we are significantly troubled by many of the answers that we got. >> bottom line, i'm more disturbed now than before. >> i'm more troubled today. >> senator mccain's embarrassing past with libya includes a meeting in tripoli in 2009 with gadhafi to discuss the possible delivery of military equipment to that dictator at his side at that meeting, as usual of course, was lindsey...
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more worrisome for advocates for susan rice and even the criticism we heard from senators mccain and graham yesterday because she is a moderate, because she is a woman senator, because she's not the first one you think would be a critic of the president's pick of susan rice to be secretary of state and because she offered this great rose petal in the path of john kerry to be the secretary of state. >> the fiscal cliff negotiations the president trying to rally the middle class in favor of the tax increases on the rich, what is the next step in terms of the real key players which is the president and john boehner? i know they've been talking, there have been a lot of conversations on the phone. is there going to be a meeting? >> you know, andrea, i hesitates to make predictions but i would say that my guess we're probably in a similar place in 14 days as we are today, which is they're talking, the tax rates on the wealthy entitlement reform, these things are still on the table but we haven't had anything defintive. congress and washington in general works best and sometimes works only under
more worrisome for advocates for susan rice and even the criticism we heard from senators mccain and graham yesterday because she is a moderate, because she is a woman senator, because she's not the first one you think would be a critic of the president's pick of susan rice to be secretary of state and because she offered this great rose petal in the path of john kerry to be the secretary of state. >> the fiscal cliff negotiations the president trying to rally the middle class in favor of...
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she said it in a private meeting with him, with ayotte, and senator graham, that she was wrong in that assertion but that was the information she was given by the intelligence community. she, you know, put out an olive branch, if you will, and they simply broke it into three pieces and collectively flogged her with it. you know, i have great respect for my colleague dana mill barng, but he wrote in a column in mid-november that she was unfit or not well equipped for this job, and one of the reasons that he put forth was her answers in those talk shows on sunday mornings. and so i think that the issue for us here today isn't what she said in those talk shows but how she's acquitted herself over the course of her career. stanford, oxford, rhodes scholar. if i'm in the position of having an equipped, educated, and have the experience to do this job but then called unqualified, called unequipped because maybe i seem like a bull in the china shop for stating a strategic position for which i believe is strongly right, then for some reason then i'm i will equipped for the job. it's as if they
she said it in a private meeting with him, with ayotte, and senator graham, that she was wrong in that assertion but that was the information she was given by the intelligence community. she, you know, put out an olive branch, if you will, and they simply broke it into three pieces and collectively flogged her with it. you know, i have great respect for my colleague dana mill barng, but he wrote in a column in mid-november that she was unfit or not well equipped for this job, and one of the...
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you've got lindsey graham trying to say something happened in this meeting to make the situation worse. what could that have been? >> well, from talking to a top official in the white house and to senator mccain, behind closed doors, the meeting wasn't as contentious as those statements after ward made it sound. at least as regard to ambassador rice. i think both sides agree that there are legitimate questions to be asked about the timeline of what happened in benghazi. about the state of knowledge at the time, about security protections and so forth, but as far as holding ambassador rice personally accountable for the incomplete and in some cases wrong story she gave on five different shows that sunday, i don't think that behind closed doors the republican senators were going after her personally. they came out afterwards and made it sound like the grave matter it was involving her. i don't think that's where they're at behind closed doors. >> let's listen to president obama on november 14th. about the senator's attacks on ambassador rice. >> when they go after the u.n. ambassador, ap
you've got lindsey graham trying to say something happened in this meeting to make the situation worse. what could that have been? >> well, from talking to a top official in the white house and to senator mccain, behind closed doors, the meeting wasn't as contentious as those statements after ward made it sound. at least as regard to ambassador rice. i think both sides agree that there are legitimate questions to be asked about the timeline of what happened in benghazi. about the state of...
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. >> he pursued an inappropriate political attack, gave us the horrible optics of he and lindsey graham as old establishment attacking a black woman moments in after an election after blacks and women went strongly blue. i leave to you to decide how much of the incompetence and inqualified. >> sean: old white establishment falks, wrongly attacking a much younger black woman. really? >> this is just horrible. you know, what's ironic, there's so much hypocrisy, because the left, you'll recall, would go after condoleezza rice, go after colin powell. they've gone after anybody on the right that they don't like, especially a black person is somehow traitorist and wrong-headed. now the suggestion that john mccain, lindsay graham, good men, i don't think in any way racist, are simply going after her because she's a black woman or a proxy for president obama, in much the way they went after eric holder on fast and furious. i think there's real questions. i disagree with some of it as i just told you, sean, but race, this is playing a card intended to hurt and diminish people from legitimately r
. >> he pursued an inappropriate political attack, gave us the horrible optics of he and lindsey graham as old establishment attacking a black woman moments in after an election after blacks and women went strongly blue. i leave to you to decide how much of the incompetence and inqualified. >> sean: old white establishment falks, wrongly attacking a much younger black woman. really? >> this is just horrible. you know, what's ironic, there's so much hypocrisy, because the left,...
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pat says mccain, graham, shut your damn mouths. quit compromising american security. >> yes. >> honey bear kelly who has the best name on twitter says -- we were saying one of the issues -- >> bill: is that honey bear kelly ayotte? >> no. not honey bear kelly ayotte. we were saying one of the issues would be if obama was to appoint john kerry then scott brown might weasel his way back into the senate. honey bear kelly says scott brown just lost an election. does anyone think he can win one now? that's a valid point. he's a loser. >> bill: what do you think of the campaign against susan rice? >> i have found it incredibly offensive. you are talking about a rhodes scholar, somebody who has 20 plus years in the diplomatic corps. also what that person tweeted. we're in the middle of major international issues. she's dealing with syria gaza, the congo. she's still our representative to the united nations. so while we're talking this foolishness about her appearance on a tv talk show, what signal is that sending to the rest of the world?
pat says mccain, graham, shut your damn mouths. quit compromising american security. >> yes. >> honey bear kelly who has the best name on twitter says -- we were saying one of the issues -- >> bill: is that honey bear kelly ayotte? >> no. not honey bear kelly ayotte. we were saying one of the issues would be if obama was to appoint john kerry then scott brown might weasel his way back into the senate. honey bear kelly says scott brown just lost an election. does anyone...
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lindsey graham has said it. they've said they'll allow for more loopholes. you're saying you agree with that, at least now. but not in the long-term, correct? >> yeah, look, i'm saying there are a lot of ways to skin a cat and we need comprehensive tax reform. you have to look at something carefully to decide whether or not you think it is an aggregate tax increase, so it's difficult to define what is or what is not a tax increase. i am against tax increases, but i am in favor of stabilizing our revenue stream. >> okay, but do you have frustration with grover norquist in such an absolutist definition? because if over time, it could mean you're never raising more revenue -- does it frustrate you? >> no. look, my pledge wasn't to any one individual. the pledge that i made was to my constituents, the voters in utah who elected me and found it significant that i was willing to say tax increases are not the answer. we don't have a revenue problem so much as a spending problem in washington. >> thank you very much. we appreciate you taking the time to joins us ton
lindsey graham has said it. they've said they'll allow for more loopholes. you're saying you agree with that, at least now. but not in the long-term, correct? >> yeah, look, i'm saying there are a lot of ways to skin a cat and we need comprehensive tax reform. you have to look at something carefully to decide whether or not you think it is an aggregate tax increase, so it's difficult to define what is or what is not a tax increase. i am against tax increases, but i am in favor of...
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senator lindsey graham also breaking with norquist says no on higher tax rates, but is open to more tax revenue by limiting deductions. >> i will violate the pledge long story short for the good of the country only if democrats will do entitlement reform. >> another lawmaker who's breaking with the norquist agrees. >> i think everything should be on the table. i myself am opposed to tax increases, i'm not going to prejudge it, we should not be taking iron clad positions. >> late today in the situation room, republican kevin mccarthy, the house majority whip put a fresh spin on what seems to be the talking points. >> if the goal is to raise more revenue, what is the best way to do that? at the same time protecting the economy? if you're able to gain more revenue by closing special loopholes, and limiting them. and keeping the rate down, so you have better ground control. isn't that a better outcome. >> talk of tax deductions and closing loopholes. a big note on raising tax rates. a lot of talk, but not much real movement, at least for now. as for grover norquist. he told soledad o'brien
senator lindsey graham also breaking with norquist says no on higher tax rates, but is open to more tax revenue by limiting deductions. >> i will violate the pledge long story short for the good of the country only if democrats will do entitlement reform. >> another lawmaker who's breaking with the norquist agrees. >> i think everything should be on the table. i myself am opposed to tax increases, i'm not going to prejudge it, we should not be taking iron clad positions....
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graham isn't going far enough. congressman tom cole, another republican, is willing to see what people wants. is this starting to crack? are we seeing a trend? >> democrats have pass the budget control act which cut spending by nearly $1 billion. with he were willing to support a compromise that would further reduce spending in exchange for revenues from the rich. we have already agreed to compromise and we agree we have to reduce debt and we have agreed to spending cuts. we will not negotiate the end to medicare. we will negotiate reforms and improvements to medicare. we will not negotiate the end of medicare. i don't know what it is with these republicans, why they are so obsessed with asking senior citizens on medicare to be the very first to sacrifice the most. we ought to be looking at other priorities first. >> congressman, we asked the question a lot about the white house holding their ground. what about boehner, what if he gives in on this issue? what do you think that does to him politically? does it enhan
graham isn't going far enough. congressman tom cole, another republican, is willing to see what people wants. is this starting to crack? are we seeing a trend? >> democrats have pass the budget control act which cut spending by nearly $1 billion. with he were willing to support a compromise that would further reduce spending in exchange for revenues from the rich. we have already agreed to compromise and we agree we have to reduce debt and we have agreed to spending cuts. we will not...
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you have got lindsey graham and steve king saying we understand it's a different day. megyn: this is what charles krauthammer. he says you are doing the same thing president obama is doing, making the debate about republicans and grover norquist rather than the huge deficit spending and the debt. >> here it comes down to the spending. even if the republicans go okay, forget grover norquist. the democrat, obama, they are not doing their part, point made. >> we'll see, we are not there yet. megyn: ladies, thank you so much. coming up. we want to show you what happened in this elevator that took freedom this point -- to this point. we'll debate whether the pranksters behind this are about to wind up in legal trouble. we'll show you have the tape next in "kelly's court." but when i was in an accident... i was worried the health care system spoke a language all its own with unitedhealthcare, i got help that fit my life. so i never missed a beat. that's health in numbers. unitedhealthcare. megyn: "kelly's court" is back in session. an elevator prank meant to make people laug
you have got lindsey graham and steve king saying we understand it's a different day. megyn: this is what charles krauthammer. he says you are doing the same thing president obama is doing, making the debate about republicans and grover norquist rather than the huge deficit spending and the debt. >> here it comes down to the spending. even if the republicans go okay, forget grover norquist. the democrat, obama, they are not doing their part, point made. >> we'll see, we are not...
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. >> if senator mccain and senator graham and others want to go after somebody, they should go after me. >> reporter: and today the white house was not backing down. >> the focus on, some might say, obsession on comments made on sunday's shows seems to me and to many to be misplaced. >> reporter: rice told the senator she wanted a chance to clear her name. but later, two of the senators she met with said they would still put a hold on her nomination. that's senate speak for blocking it. still, the white house is planning to fight for her, and senate democratic leaders say they can get her confirmed. >> andrea mitchell at the state department to start us off tonight. andrea, thanks. >>> overseas today in cairo, a dramatic scene in tahrir square. it looked a lot like those furious protests we saw against former president hosni mubarak, driven out early last year. but today's anger was directed at the new president, morsi. nbc's ayman mohyeldin is in tahrir square for us tonight. good evening, ayman. >> reporter: good evening, brian. hundreds of thousands of protesters were back here in
. >> if senator mccain and senator graham and others want to go after somebody, they should go after me. >> reporter: and today the white house was not backing down. >> the focus on, some might say, obsession on comments made on sunday's shows seems to me and to many to be misplaced. >> reporter: rice told the senator she wanted a chance to clear her name. but later, two of the senators she met with said they would still put a hold on her nomination. that's senate speak...
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tomorrow rice along with acting cia director will meet with mccain, lindsey graham on capitol hill. now that mccain is open to the idea of hearings from rice, he's alleging a white house coverup on the matter, a narrative already being pushed on fox news. fox has devoted countless hours of air time to the benghazi story booking guests to pedal the conspiracy theories. but today something rare happened. fox news invited journalist thomas ricks to share his thoughts about the whole thing. he reports the truth for a living. so needless to say his interview was cut short. >> senator john mccain said he would block any attempt to nominate susan rice to become secretary of state. she's currently the u.n. ambassador. he seems to be backing away from that. what do you make of that? >> i think that benghazi generally was hyped by this network especially and now that the campaign is over, he's backing off a little bit. they are not going to stop susan rice from being secretary of state. >> when you have four people dead including the u.s. ambassador, how do you call that hype? >> how many sec
tomorrow rice along with acting cia director will meet with mccain, lindsey graham on capitol hill. now that mccain is open to the idea of hearings from rice, he's alleging a white house coverup on the matter, a narrative already being pushed on fox news. fox has devoted countless hours of air time to the benghazi story booking guests to pedal the conspiracy theories. but today something rare happened. fox news invited journalist thomas ricks to share his thoughts about the whole thing. he...
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. >>> then senators john mccain and lindsey graham say they have even more questions after u.n. ambassador susan rice tries to clear the air on benghazi. >>> and black friday shoppers bust another republican myth about this obama economy. david johnson will set the record straight. share your thoughts on facebook and twitter. we're right back. >>> welcome back to "the ed show." president obama can and should rely on labor to bolster his position in the fiscal cliff negotiations. labor is a major ally in protecting the middle class. today senior white house officials met privately with representatives of labor and other progressive groups. and attendees of the meeting say they were encouraged. one said, they expect taxes to go up on the wealthy and to protect medicare and medicaid benefits. they feel confident they don't have to compromise. another attendee said the white house did not want to go over the fiscal cliff but would do so if necessary. would they do it? if it's between that and compromise on their core principles, i was left with the impression they would. white house
. >>> then senators john mccain and lindsey graham say they have even more questions after u.n. ambassador susan rice tries to clear the air on benghazi. >>> and black friday shoppers bust another republican myth about this obama economy. david johnson will set the record straight. share your thoughts on facebook and twitter. we're right back. >>> welcome back to "the ed show." president obama can and should rely on labor to bolster his position in the...
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senator lindsay graham is one of the three senators who have a lot of questions for ambassador rice. >> he gave us a preview of what he will be looking for during today's discussion. >> she asked to meet with us i will listen to what she has to say about her role in benghazi. the more i know about benghazi the more upset i am that the consulate was even open on september 11th. when you look at the history about the dangers we should never have been open or heavily reinforced. during the attack i am more core idea about how we couldn't help them for 7 hours. a spontaneous event caused by video turn nude a riot is less credible than ever. i want to listen to her side of the story. the most basic information on what happened on the night of the attack and what survivors had to say after the attack is not being provided and we will talk more about that tomorrow. long story short, i know very little from this administration about what happened in benghazi and what i am finding out on my own makes me very upset. >> senator graham will be joined by senator mccain at the meeting later this m
senator lindsay graham is one of the three senators who have a lot of questions for ambassador rice. >> he gave us a preview of what he will be looking for during today's discussion. >> she asked to meet with us i will listen to what she has to say about her role in benghazi. the more i know about benghazi the more upset i am that the consulate was even open on september 11th. when you look at the history about the dangers we should never have been open or heavily reinforced. during...
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senator it's mccain, graham and iiot and senator lieberman. they are not satisfied. senator lieberman seems satisfied, all done behind closed doors. nonetheless. but your thoughts? >> obviously, she has to tell her story, publicly. the big thing she has to explain why as intelligentaise person as she is in a prominent position, having full access to our national intelligence and this was hid fren her -- she nevertheless made the statement he did. she now acknowledges it was wrong. surely, she had some inkling this wasn't what happened. surely, he read the intelligence information before she went on and spoke to the american people. apparently norks we are getting information about the intelligence and what it contained. now have you had three different conflicting stories toze who did what, when, within the secretary of state office, the white house, the intelligence community. obviously, we are to get to the bottom of t. it is not all about ambassador rice. this is the white house operation, the press shop, the political operation, the president himself and the secr
senator it's mccain, graham and iiot and senator lieberman. they are not satisfied. senator lieberman seems satisfied, all done behind closed doors. nonetheless. but your thoughts? >> obviously, she has to tell her story, publicly. the big thing she has to explain why as intelligentaise person as she is in a prominent position, having full access to our national intelligence and this was hid fren her -- she nevertheless made the statement he did. she now acknowledges it was wrong. surely,...
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. >>> lindsey graham one of the three senators who mreft the meeting with ambassador susan rice more troubled. rice will take her case on benghazi with two more republicans. peter doocy is live with more on this story. >> good morning ainsley. if ambassador susan rice thought a quick trip to the capital to meet with some of her biggest critics she was mistaken. >> we are significantly troubled by many of the answers that we got and some that we didn't get concerning evidence. it is overwhelming leading up to the attack on our consulate. >> i am more troubled today knowing how they met with the acting director of the cia and ambassador rice. >> senator mccain walked away from that meeting with ambassador rice and acting cia director michael morrell with a sense that at the time of ambassador rice infamous sunday show appearances there was xheling evidence including statements by libyan and some americans that proved there was never a demonstration by a mob mad about a movie. for her heart rice is describing her meeting with the lawmakers like this. she says we explained the talking po
. >>> lindsey graham one of the three senators who mreft the meeting with ambassador susan rice more troubled. rice will take her case on benghazi with two more republicans. peter doocy is live with more on this story. >> good morning ainsley. if ambassador susan rice thought a quick trip to the capital to meet with some of her biggest critics she was mistaken. >> we are significantly troubled by many of the answers that we got and some that we didn't get concerning...
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senator lindsey graham also breaking with norquist saying no higher tax rates but open to more tax revenue by limiting deductions. >> i'm willing to generate revenue. it's fair to ask my party to put revenue on the table. ilt not raise tax rates to do it and cap deductions. >> another lawmaker breaking with the norquist agrees. >> i think everything should be on the table. i'm imposed on tax increases. imt not going to prejudge it, and we should not take ironclad positions. >> late today in "the situation room" republican kevin mccarthy put a fresh spin on the talking points. >> if the gel oal is to raise m revenue what's the best way to do that and protect the economy? if you're able to gain more revenue by closing special loopholes and limiting them and keeping the rate down, isn't that a better outcome? >> once again, talk of tax deductions and closing loopholes, but a big note. raising tax rates, so a lot of talk but perhaps not much real movement at least for now. as for grover norquist, he told cnn's soledad o'brien today that although some republicans are discussing impure thoughts
senator lindsey graham also breaking with norquist saying no higher tax rates but open to more tax revenue by limiting deductions. >> i'm willing to generate revenue. it's fair to ask my party to put revenue on the table. ilt not raise tax rates to do it and cap deductions. >> another lawmaker breaking with the norquist agrees. >> i think everything should be on the table. i'm imposed on tax increases. imt not going to prejudge it, and we should not take ironclad positions....
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here was senator graham's response. i want to play that and then let's talk about it. >> guys like you are being criticized by, for instance, members much the congressional black caucus, they say that you and john mccain are sexist and racists as well for criticizing ambassador rice. >> well, when you can't answer the question, you attack the questioner. the only color i'm worried about when it comes to benghazi is red, blood red. >> you know, congresswoman, i'll tell you what strikes me is i'm a little cautious about getting into this territory in terms of, you know, citing race as part -- it may play into it, but it strikes me that the republicans are not thinking about the fact that they have just lost an election, largely based on the women's vote, african-americans and young people. here you have a ridiculously qualified woman. she is a ph.d. a rhodes scholar, they're questioning her competence, her intelligence, over a set of talking points. it does seem to be racial. there seems to be racial undertones in the cri
here was senator graham's response. i want to play that and then let's talk about it. >> guys like you are being criticized by, for instance, members much the congressional black caucus, they say that you and john mccain are sexist and racists as well for criticizing ambassador rice. >> well, when you can't answer the question, you attack the questioner. the only color i'm worried about when it comes to benghazi is red, blood red. >> you know, congresswoman, i'll tell you what...